Critique Of A Studentís Routine Stack
I'm looking around my place in the aftermath of another crazy night out and
I don't feel like dealing cleaning that up with a stick and a rag... SO I
thought I'd do a mailbag.
Today's email comes from a member of my year long coaching program 12 Months
to Mastery. We were rescheduling phone consultations around the holidays and
he had an extra question.
"Also, do you have time to look over my routine stack if I send it to you?
I was looking over the sticking point process and realized I need to be
doing things consistently to get accurate results. So I made a new stack
that hopefully will keep my sets consistent. It's pretty basic, I just
want to make sure I have the approriate material to start with and that the
sequencing is correct.
No problem Q.
I don't espouse a particular philosophy on the use of routines. I think
they're helpful, but they can cause you to develop bad habits because you
become reliant on routines. I also don't think you HAVE to use routines to
get girls. But they are an effective strategy and should be recognized as
such. So let's take a look at the stack:
Routine Stack Working Model
Opener: (Select one) [Kino Ping] (Smile & Be loud!)
1. You guys seem cool...So I had to come over and say hello......
2. You guys seem fun......I had to come say hello.
3. I was sooo going to wear that tonite.
4. Sincere compliment.......(Default)
This section is good because it
has a variety of openers. I personally believe you should have between 1-5
openers you like at any given times.
Some openers work better in specific situations like approaching mixed
groups or seated groups.
It's also good that he mentions to kino ping or touch on the opener. You
want to break that touch barrier immediately. He also mentions smiling and
being loud, if you can do just those two it will make a big difference in
how many groups will talk to you.
The problem with this section is that it doesn't have any different types of
Every opener on the list is a direct opener. This means it's an opener that
states interest in meeting the girl or group. You want to have both indirect
and direct openers in the arsenal so that you can approach all different
I'd add an indirect risky opener like Brad P's Horsegirl or The Don and I's
Child support opener. I'd also add a regular opinion opener like one of my
favorite openers the "Died in your Arms Tonight " Opener.
It goes like this:
Help me win a free drink from my friends. You know that song "Died in Your
Arms Tonight?" Who sings that song? My friends over there(point)say it's
Journey but I know it's Cutting Crew. So all you guys have to do is wave
over there while I say Cutting Crew. Cool? Doesn't even matter as long as
you help me win" (smile)
This is a really good opener, because you are actively showing you don't
even care what they say. It also generates a lot of compliance if you can
get the group waving and yelling cutting crew, and it can spark congruence
tests and interesting discussions of all things 80s...
Negs / Teases:
Yep....You guys are definitely the coolest girls I have met....In the last
You guys are totally adorable.....You're like my little sisters.....I'm
going to put you in my pocket and adopt you as my new little sisters....Wait
a minute....You guys are potty trained right?
Ok these teases are a little...
You need some teases that either sexualize the interaction, or paint her as
a little bit dorky.
These are friendly and bantery but not good this early in the interaction.
Instead I'd say use teases like:
" I don't know who your last boyfriend was, but he did not spank you
" You should really run away, I'm a horrible person. I make up for it by
being somewhat charming.
"Do yourself a favor and run along. You are way too nice of a girl for us to
get along. Plus I'm really bad in bed (Smile)"
But it is the right idea to have a few default teases ready for when girls
get bratty, or when there is an obvious lack of social tension or
attraction(AKA the "polite" response).
Teasing is a major part of game, as it passively sets the frame that you are
cooler than the girl. If you tease a girl and she laughs, the frame has been
Time Constraint / Transitionary Compliment:
You guys are fun though.......I gotta get going soon but......
I don't recommend using time
constraints unless you are using them as part of a push pull, or as a tease.
If the girl says something I can misinterpret as creepy, I'll often look at
my arm and say " look at the time, I have to go feed my cat.."
They should always be used in seated groups though, because it's awkward to
just go up to a group and grab a seat with them.
No real problem with always using a time constraint, but don't feel you
always have to do it either. This is a personal choice IME.
Just out of curiosity.....How do you guys know each other?
- Waypoint for lock-in
Here you're using a social
question as a transition. You can do this if you got attraction off the
opener. If you haven't gotten attraction yet, then you'll just be boring the
girls with that question.
There's a ton of ways to transition, from observations, to phrasal
transitions like " It's just like when" or "that reminds me of". You can
also just start talking about whatever your next subject is.
It's good that you have a default way of transitioning set up before hand
though. Next time just make it something you can use regardless of whether
or not they're attracted.
Attraction: (Watch for IOI's)
You guys look like you are (Cold Read)
Are you adventurous? (Qualification Ping)
I know everybody asks you this but.....What do you do for work? (What do you
I'm sorry.....What did you say your name(s) was? (Bad with names routine)
DHV Story : Melrose story / Hole in jeans / Bench press /South Beach (Only
IVD: Murder Mystery routine or dollar bill routine (Only as needed)
Hmmm.... You pick interesting fingers to wear your rings on.... (Rings
Waypoint for move and / or isolation.
In your attraction section, you
seem to be very focused on cold reading with the "you guys look like" mini
cold read, followed up by the work routine.
In fact this whole style is very low key. This stuff is great for singles
and low stimulus environments like lounges, coffeeshops etc... Not great for
bars and clubs IME.
You might want to make the rings on fingers routine something you use EVERY
time. I still use that as a default transition.
You also have some DHV stories you tell if needed. DHV stories are kinda
relics at this point, the only stories you really need are your life story
and a few short funny ones that happen to mention a girlfriend
Again there's a lack of diversity to the type of material you're using.You
don't have any push/pulls, you don't have any statements of intent, you
don't do any pacing of the current situation or framing.
You're also not that emotionally engaging. I would throw in a quick past
adventures projection early on something like the Spanish Chambermaid
Spanish Chambermaid Past Adventure Projection
" You know Sally here is being shy because this is the first time we've seen
each other since "the incident." What happened was when Sally went
vacationing in Spain last year we had a little fling. And I don't usually
tell people all of our business up front but I cheated on her. Yeah, but I
added it up statistically and I made the right choice, it was my only chance
to ever sleep with a Spanish Chambermaid and I had to take it. I'm sorry I
hurt you... But you did cheat on me with the pool boy first...."
And yes I totally stole the idea from that episode of Seinfeld where George
goes off sex and becomes super smart. Geoff formerly of RSD was the first
guy I saw use past adventures projections like that one.
Overall I think you need more fun and playfulness in the attraction phase.
You've got the intriguing/interesting side down and the masculine side down
but you need more playfulness and fun.
Qualification & Framing:
(Waypoint for isolation.)
Do you believe in Love at first sight? (Love at first sight pattern)
You look like you are XYZ nationality..... (Medium Hoop)
" I'd be lying if I didn't say you were a beautiful girl....But I don't mean
anything by it." (Large Hoop)
I wonder what (target's name) was like when she was seven? (Med Hoop)
This qualification sequence needs
a ton of work.
There's no small hoops. You need small hoops to build momentum. So we want
to use a small qualifier like " are you adventurous or spontaneous."
In the stack Q pings early with a small hoop, but you want to use another
one to build momentum for your medium hoop(What nationality are you?) and
you need another medium hoop before your large hoop. Qualification builds
compliance and compliance builds momentum. You want to use your momentum to
move you forward in the interaction.
You also want to soften the hoop by taking out the part where you tell her
you don't mean anything about her being beautiful. Instead say " but there
are a lot of beautiful girls here, what makes you special?" The phrasing Q
has here is just a bit awkward. You always want to separate the fact that
you want to get in her pants(because she's hot) from the reasons you like
her. But you do need to acknowledge that she's hot at some point . If for no
reason other than it helps you explain away escalation better.
It's good that you have more than one piece of qualification material, but
you want to stick to the format of two small hoops, two medium hoops and one
Also I'm not sure why you stuck Toecutter's Love at first sight pattern in
qualification. This piece fits in to either attraction as a transition or
into comfort, as an escalation.
You should also insert some quirkier more personal things that YOU
specifically want in a girl.
Everyone should make a list of the 10 nonphysical qualities they want in a
woman and use those qualities as their qualifiers.
Trust me this makes life and game much easier.
You know, you're kinda throwing me a little bit... (Good Girl Face routine)
You know, you SEEM interesting..... In college I studied Psychology and one
of the first things they taught us was the Strawberry Fields Test
(Strawberry Fields Routine)
Non Judgemental frame / cold read (Not finished yet, will add in later if
You certainly want to add more to
the sexual framing stuff, you need things like discretion, Independence,
You also want to throw in physical stuff like biting your lip at her,
triangular gazing and verbal escalations like " If nobody was here right
now, I'd bend you over this table and take care of business."
It's good that you're recognizing the need for certain sexual accelerators
Grounding / DHV:
With me, it's interesting.......Like I how I grew up_________ I always
did_______ and it pushed me to do _________(ambition story).
Comfort: (Select as needed)
1. Heart Melter
2. First Kiss
5. Kiss Close
You also need more of a plan for
comfort besides just a few routines and a kiss close. You need to have
contingencies in place for getting her to give you her phone number and or
leave the venue with you and get back to your place. You need to have a plan
for the date and a story to seed it to get her excited to go on it.
You also need to have a way of escalating things sexually and logistically.
You should ideally also have things you're interested in, that you want her
to know about. As well as a few ways of getting to know her at a deeper
Comfort is mostly about getting to know to know the girl while letting her
get to know you. Then you also have to figure out whether or not there's
chemistry and compatibility between the two of you.
Overall I'd say this stack has a lot of good structure, but could use some
refinement in the actual material being used. It could also probably use a
bit more emotional stimulation and interactivity throughout the stack.
Hope that helps everyone out there, if you guys have questions about
routines in general, specific routines or routine stacks, email me at
Til next time,